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They just shot up and chased them down a road.

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What road was this on?

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They were on Route 88.

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Heading?

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Heading into town on Route 88.

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I turned on the cruise on, headed out that way, and they followed me.

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I got out to the junction of 88 and 101 City.

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I don't know if you've seen it or not.

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New county buildings out there.

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The big building.

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All of a sudden, to my left.

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And up almost to the top of my windshield.

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Almost as if I was looking out the wing window.

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But I was just to the right of the wing window.

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I saw something very, very bright, moving across the sky.

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It sort of southeast.

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It's the best direction I can get for it.

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It was very bright.

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They pulled the car over the side of the road.

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Stopped the engine, turned the lights off.

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Got out, walked, or maybe 15, 20 feet from the car

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to get away from any noise I might be.

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So no noise at all.

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Very, very quiet.

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One real bright white light.

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It's just as white as it could be.

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Was it just hanging there?

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No, it was moving.

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And back in the white light was a green light.

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And it seemed to be in back of that was a red light.

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The two colored lights were blinking and this other light was a steady light.

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Now when this thing passed over the building, it was, oh...

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I estimate it about 50 feet over the building.

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It cast an extreme light on the upper story of the building.

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In other words, the building was bathed in light.

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It's the best way I can picture it.

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It kept moving steadily.

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And you hear anything?

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No, I didn't hear a thing.

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Very quiet.

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Now this is a quarter to 12 at night and there's no traffic around it.

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So everything was very quiet.

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And if the thing was making any noise, I'd have heard it.

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But it was very quiet.

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It moved parallel to 88 over the woods.

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There's woods on the left-hand side of Route 88.

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It stayed over the woods, but it seemed to run parallel to the road.

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I got back in the car and I stayed with it over down the road.

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Probably a mile or a quarter, maybe a mile and a half down that road.

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There's another intersection of a small road road.

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Ashbrook?

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Ashbrook Road, right.

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Just after Ashbrook Road on the left, there's a large field.

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Imagine Mrs. Pierce told you about this.

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We pulled into the driveway of the Burwell Fire Department across from this field.

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Again, I turned the lights off, the engine off, got out and watched.

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Things seemed to hover over this field probably for 15 seconds and it dropped.

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To maybe what looked like to me, it was 10, 15 feet off the ground.

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All the time these lights were in the same pattern.

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They didn't change.

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And again, this field was bathed in light right under the thing.

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It seemed to be just as bright as it could be.

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Well, I tried to edge over to other road and get closer to it.

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The thing all of a sudden just jumped.

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Jumped and just disappeared.

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Straight up.

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And after it did that, right back down, when it came down this time, it came down in back of these trees.

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I could tell it was in back of the trees at the edge of the field.

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You know when, say you turn on somebody's driveway, you see a car turning on the driveway.

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You see these trees in front of the lights.

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In other words, the lights in back of the tree.

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Well, this is just what this looked like.

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You can see this pretty on my left hand.

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Did it, how far down behind the tree is it?

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It looked like it was just about the same altitude as it was before 10 or 15 feet.

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It was just sort of hopped over the trees.

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It was high and came right back down to it.

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How long would it take to hop last from when it sprang up in the middle of the field when it came down again at the other end of the trajectory?

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Maybe 10 seconds. I didn't think of it enough.

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How high did it get before it began to come down again?

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I wouldn't want to say it was up a quarter ways.

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Could you see a separation between the red light and the green light and the white light?

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Yeah, all the time.

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Did this separation get smaller like Frank?

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Because of the distance?

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Yeah, when it moved away from me, they got smaller, but the separation stayed the same.

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Separation relative to the same.

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In other words, the two lights didn't seem to be moving independently.

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Can you see the one unit?

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Can you get an estimate of size of the object? Could you give us that?

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Did you see any physical?

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No, no. I tried to pick out something.

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I tried to pick out, like an outline or something. I couldn't do it.

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Of course, like I say, this white light dominated everything.

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How big was the white light? I mean, there was a mass object of light that you could see.

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How big was that mass object?

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For instance, when it passed over the county building, how big was it compared to, say, one of the windows or the door?

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It was much larger. The entire thing, to me, looked like about the size of the house.

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White? The size of the house?

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The whole thing.

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The whole thing.

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The white plus the green plus the red.

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What was in between? What was outside? I can't tell. It may have been much bigger.

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Were the green and red like lights?

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They were alternating.

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Or were they flash?

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They seemed well-defined.

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They were like that light bulb over there.

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And the white light was...

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Wasn't defined as much.

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Was it the same size as the...

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No, no. Much bigger.

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Much bigger.

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Or as physically as if it was a large bulb. Was it... it was fuzzy in the words of the...

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It seemed to be round, but I couldn't pick a different circle. The other ones I could.

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The other ones like lights.

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Right?

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What they looked at me like. Traffic light.

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It's the only thing I could think of.

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Same kind of color, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What was the interesting thing of people? People say, well, my green and red, something like that, you know,

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the thing is that the human eye will respond only to a limited range of colors.

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I mean, you can't get any other colors except the colors that we see because we see the spectrum in a certain physiological way.

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So just because it looks like green and traffic light doesn't mean that it is.

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So I just wanted to point that out for anybody who might need to point it out.

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Then what happened after it went down behind the trees?

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It just disappeared. It either went out or just seemed to disappear. I never saw it again.

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You couldn't see it through the trees.

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Yeah. I saw it.

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Yeah.

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I saw the trees.

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Oh, I see. In front. In other words, it was behind the trees. The trees are between me and this object, whatever it was.

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How far away are those trees for me?

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Well, as you were on the road...

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Half a mile.

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And you were... In other words, the separation between where it started from when it came down again was at least half a mile.

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We could easily find out.

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I asked you if this is between the road and that line of trees.

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Half a mile.

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Well, that thing...

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How big does that field?

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Think it's half a field.

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And you say it was in the middle of it?

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Yeah. It was about the middle when it came down.

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At quarter to 12?

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Yeah.

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When you saw Mrs. Pierce and her friend...

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But what was it? You want to get her friend's name?

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I don't know what the friend's name was.

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How do they describe this to you?

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Well, they say that something in the air was falling. That's what they said to me.

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So I cleared it with headquaters that I was already coming to Godown and checking out.

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And I went down.

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Now, I understand...

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From there I had a trail.

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I picked this up on his home radio.

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Right.

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And that he passed you talking to them at Ashbrook.

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That's right.

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Did you come back and check with them?

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No, I didn't. I went back to headquaters.

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I came back to you.

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When were you talking to them at Ashbrook?

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Right around midnight. See, we changed shifts at midnight.

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Yeah.

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Another shift comes on. I come in and pick up a man.

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What did you do after the light went off?

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I was there for maybe a minute.

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Were you talking to them?

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The clock, yeah.

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Was this when Patrell passed you?

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He passed me down the end of Ashbrook Road.

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I left the spot where I watched the thing and come down to Ashbrook Road to the Hampton Road.

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Ashbrook Road goes between the two state routes.

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Have you ever talked about this with him?

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Briefly.

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Because he says that he saw something.

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After he passed you, he went down the road.

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And that he saw something.

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A brilliant light for maybe three or four seconds went down and turned around, came back and was gone.

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And he said it lit up the field.

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Now, which road would he have gone down?

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88.

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88.

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Well, then it was back in the center of the field that...

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I wouldn't want to say where I was because I didn't see it.

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That's the impression I would get.

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In other words, when he left, if I can interpret this right and we'll check it out, it came back.

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And then disappeared when he came down again.

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I don't know.

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What was your first reaction upon seeing the object?

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No, automatically.

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I thought of this thing that the other fellas had seen.

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Of course, you talked to Gene Breckin.

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I thought of this kind of thing.

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Anyhow, did it frighten you at all?

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Not really.

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Did you have any...

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I didn't have a nosy taste.

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Did you have any sensation at all when you saw it?

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Was there any physical sensation?

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No.

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There was no noise at all?

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No.

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And you didn't feel any physical reaction to it?

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No.

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Well, you stood out there watching this.

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How long did you watch it before it went away?

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Before it hopped, did you say?

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I'll talk probably about 30 seconds.

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30 seconds.

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Did you feel anything?

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No.

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Okay.

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Just a lot of curiosity.

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It's about all I can...

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Now, this light...

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Let's go back to the white light again.

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Was this a light light?

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A very well-defined light?

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Or was it a very...

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Was it like a glow?

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It wasn't well-defined, no.

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It was rather fuzzy.

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I hesitate to call it a glow.

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A glow, in my way of thinking, that word...

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Well, think of a glare.

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A glare would...

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In other words, same kind of sensation you get looking at high beam.

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Yeah, looking right into a spotlight.

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High beam spotlight.

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Well, it wasn't spotted at me, obviously.

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It was spotted on this field and on the county building.

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Because the area in which I was wasn't being lit up.

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Oh.

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I think you were quite far away from it.

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It was right directly under it.

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Could it have been, like, Princess Casting, in all directions?

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Mm-hmm.

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Or did you get the impression there was a beam of light being down

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and you were just getting sort of a...

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I mean, I had the impression I was getting.

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Because it seemed so bright, it would light up the patch of field and...

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Would you say that it was lighting up the field,

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but as bright as sunlight would have been?

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In other words, were things sharply defined?

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It was different than sunlight.

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It was whiter.

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It was white.

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Almost like fluorescent light.

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So was there something yellow?

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The difference between fluorescent light and the green or...

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You know, tons of lamps.

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Very, very white.

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The green sunlight is white.

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Yeah.

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Did you, for instance, compare it with headlights?

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Much brighter than that.

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Yeah.

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But how about color-wise?

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Because headlights are different colors than the green sunlight.

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This is way to the blue.

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Why is it to me?

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Any idea what it would have been?

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Not really.

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I got my own imaginative ideas.

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Nothing to debate about.

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Would you like to advance them first?

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We're open to all suggestions, I'll tell you that.

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We have talked to so many people.

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You've probably heard everything I got to say.

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No, it would be interesting.

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I believe these things are some sort of spacecraft.

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Nothing to substantiate.

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You know, of course, you talked about it, Bertrand.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I'm sure.

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And the Chuck office of the page.

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Oh, the first page.

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Did you tell you what he saw?

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The, you know...

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We, yes, might point out that we're at the point now where we had come up here believing

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that there was something.

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And after talking to people like you and Mr. Bertrand and Sergeant Page, there is very little

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about, I'm not going to speak for Dick, but there's very little about that in my mind.

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That there is something.

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I'm confident now after talking to people we have that there's something.

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And while I'm not willing to say right now that it's extraterrestrial, I'm willing to

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say that it's something very, very strange.

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I think as Dr. Heineck has pointed out, there is a scarcity of theories.

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That we are limited because people will distinctively think that it is impossible to design a vehicle

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such as this appears to be a sample of.

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There's a number of them.

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A number of different configurations.

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In other words, as diversified it seems as a Mustang, as from a Chevrolet, as from a Cadillac.

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It's a useful, people said, the possible design of submarine.

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No.

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First they persecuted Leonardo da Vinci for making a helicopter.

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Yeah.

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It was crazy.

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Do you know much about the sky?

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In other words, are you familiar with constellations or?

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I used to be.

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You find your directions using a.

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Something else.

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I can pick out certain constellations if I see them.

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Have we talked to him about the direction in which this travel away from him?

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Yeah.

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Well, let's see.

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88 goes east and west.

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No way.

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88 goes at an angle.

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Southeast to northwest.

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And if this was a field beside 88 and it was over.

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Traveling southeast and it would travel southeast and north.

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No, southwest, northeast in that line.

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My first thought when southeast didn't change direction.

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When you first saw it, it was heading southeast.

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It was parallel to 88.

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Right.

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Then it sat over this field.

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Then you say it jumped up and moved down to trees beyond about a half a mile up on the other side of the road.

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I would call east.

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That would be directly east.

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Let me say something else.

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We talked to Mrs. Pierce, the soft man.

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And she told us this story and I reserved any further judgment.

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As a matter of fact, I was sitting at dinner and he asked me about it.

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I said, I have reserved any further judgment.

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Not only have we confirmed it through you, but the lieutenant confirms basically the same thing.

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How can we say anything but this is this is just.

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All right. All right.

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All right.

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We have proven beyond doubt beyond any question about that there is some something appearing in this area.

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The next step is to get a picture.

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And this is what we want to try to do.

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And I would like to thank you very much for the time you've taken in telling us.

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I'll do some help here.

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You won't thank Lieutenant.

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Okay.